discussing with the director of the latest information officer involved robert. although russia and nato say their partners their interests often collide the alliances expansion into the east and the installation of the american missile systems in europe are very painful to moscow but despite being a toward sometimes both sides knowledge the importance of carburation therefore russia has made an unprecedented step allowing nato commercial use age of an airport in the city or ask for transit of nonmilitary supplies to afghanistan. hello robert welcome to the show i thank you thank you very much to have you here let's start talking about of galveston many fear that a civil conflict may break in afghanistan after the nato forces leave the

country so do you agree that this is possible and is something then to prevent. but first of all i mean let's be very clear we we are not leaving in a sense that abandoning afghanistan and it's we are talking of course about two thousand and fourteen which indeed is first being the deadline which has been jointly agreed and it's a blessed by international community that the afghans would essentially assume primary supposedly for the security but there is still an issue of course there would need some sort of assistance afterwards and that is what we are preparing at the moment there would be for instance the defense ministers discussing it next week in brussels and secondly i think it's you know there's been a lot of very gloomy socialistic analysis about going to ten years ago five years ago and today and to some extent it's understandable because situation is difficult there are problems but one has to look at. the full picture the full picture is not

as gloomy because the same afghans that you know some people say are not able to allegedly take care of the security thanks to a lot of work which has been done at the moment and sensually looking after the security of having free quarters of the whole territory afghanistan. there are many achievements there are many regions which are really quite safe but yes it is true that there are some some difficult situations we've seen them even read recently so that's why the answer is what is it that we are doing we are concentrating on training on helping them to stand on your own feet. according to reports nato is planning to leave a day or two in the game itself after the withdrawal well why why why do you want to keep these couple of bases if as nato claims the mission is accomplished well

we understand the mission accomplished prince harry has grown in term which you're a man but. i mean but what about the other the other missions of the forces in the are they are they really accomplished if you read just after leaving here at some point and that's again it's not just sort of speak our decision our you know our our women it's a result of sort of children situation the truth is of course nobody wants to stay forever country secondly the time has really come and it's important for the afghans to feel that they are really fully in control because they country we only have been invited to help them but you know it's not an issue of the base and two we frankly we don't know i don't know those details nobody because this is being discussed right now the idea is very simple it's there will be a mission no longer a combat mission but it be a mission which will help the afghans to train to assist in any which way they.

will we need it because they will need a bit more help still after two thousand and fourteen so there will be some some presence but would be much much smaller than it is today and for example you say basically if you need to do some training well maybe you need to do that training somewhere and that maybe will be the basis but i don't think we proper to speak about nato bases and as you said you said it won't be a combat mission i mean what your what nato will leave. so does that mean that whatever stays there. will not have to be discussed in the security council will not have to be approved by a security council decision is there a trend that's a different issue now all the nato missions they are today its mission afghanistan that's come to piracy that's cos of the mission of others they all operate on the basis of the un security council monday in fact last week the sec regional nato mr rasmussen was in new york and he talked about those issues you cited with secretary of u.n. mr bank moon and it's clear that of course we that would be

a very very a proper very helpful too to have any form of mission based on of course the u.n. security council receive that how he has been so far and we believe that. the action but the exact manner of this that's that's again for the diplomats in new york and other places to discuss. now do you think russia. as a member of the security council. will it back. support the idea of leaving later. or russia will insist on a complete withdrawal of all or all of the forces. well the way we look at. the issue of gun is that is that our russian colleagues are our partners in this endeavor for variety of reasons which are very well understood you the history etc nobody has expected the russian troops to be to be present in that mission but

russia has been very helpful in variety of ways transit and joint training come to narcotics etc etc so the bottom line is this we have frankly speaking the same interests the interests of stability so if the afghan colleagues need some assistance and that assistance essentially from two thousand and fourteen will be focused on training then yes we would assume that that's something that will find full support from reform from russia because it's again it's about stability of the whole region which russia is vitally interested in the russian foreign minister in the general of late a couple of days ago was that social formal meeting or were there things that we could talk about through the. should have been on the agenda how they discussed the basin the yellow school winds nato certainly use the basin millionaires in the russian territory it's not a nato base and we have to be clear this is this is a whatever transit point this is

a place where some cargoes which would fly from afghanistan would be reloaded on the railway track is that that's what it is that's why we are not was proposed by the russian side and our experts for disagree. and minister lavrov it is they tradition because they've met many times and there's a bit of tradition about this meeting on mardis of the u.n. they had a pretty comprehensive discussion afghanistan certainly was discussed we are not that agreement is done so we were very happy about this now to be honest. it's now the turn of you know of concrete countries who are who need to come to some concrete let's say commercial contracts. because they remain essentially is a legal framework so we assume we hope that that that i agree ment will be used to speak but now it's not nato it's individual countries that are there that essentially concludes with you don't have the date when when nato countries can start using the base nobody knows not the base that they can use the transit

agreement they say no you now her but it's because it's there it's has been agreed to and so on but it's frankly it's now the issue of the sort of the commercial deals and you know how it works you have to offer good as far as i understand this . maybe which you don't call a basic quality just like a place for a transfer may be used only for for civil purposes not for any military purposes for for the transit of military military issue is that right now we have to be precise because this our i mean you know i mean i can sort of you know split hairs but it is about military congress in a sense that it's about equipment various things which are used by by not just nato countries but the fifty countries which are in afghanistan now but we say at the agreement clearly stipulates that this will not include so-called lethal would so

simply put nothing that you can kill with so so badly so young as they are the soldiers they use bread you know and they use bullets well exactly it's a novel it's not going to break their bread from tense to even some some some cars maybe even some armored cars what would you know without the the weaponry of the of the ammunition and that is and certainly not troops themselves so that's why it's just really about the cargo loaded cargo but it's still very important and we're very happy about it. bloomberg reports that no no no military personnel will be allowed in only and it's going to be stationed there is that right well the idea is that the. mitra personnel will not be so to speak i know it's doesn't sound nice but you know what i mean if you want to be they can go it's that transit agreement it has it will not include the transport off of people holders and so on so in that sense there is there is frankly no no need i mean it's

you know it's about the way it has worked before you have a plane coming transport plane which you know then you just need some people at the airport who are on an old to. the containers and people will be russians or will they be natives of course it depends on the contract that's why it hasn't been said but i think again our experience so far and the fact that you know russia has has a plane that companies we've been based in atlanta so i think there's a if that it was used it's a high probability that this will be a russian russian company says robert shell as the director all the latest information office in moscow spotlight would be back to take his share of trade so stay with us and.

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back to spotlight with darva just to remind you that my guest on the show today here in the studio is robbers shall director of the nato information office in moscow robert we started talking about liane of the place of transit where where when nato can reload some some cargo from planes to to real railway cars to have it from out of afghanistan well we just started discussing how it will be years will there be any weapons will there be any military personnel inside because it's not a base place for transit so you understand why this is so important we both understand because this sort of this distrust because russia and russian people russian authorities they know that nato is very easy to welcome but very hard to us

to leave so they are all suspicious that once and nato soldier will put his feet on piece of land. especially if this barbed wire put a head around no way he'll ever leave. other guarantees that this won't happen it'll all be under the skin of the suspicious how it warrants it not you know but the government is about transit not about troops and so on and by the way i mean just to give you an example that you know we have a problem record there was this was not a combat mission to some of our training mission in iraq because they took did not take part in iraq to be but it went on for a number of years with train. quite a few thousand of iraqi officers that mission has been you know has has ended really and the same goes for other missions too so frankly speaking i don't think nato has has a record of a state but you know one thing of course well the reason i'm asking is that in one

of your own interviews here in moscow you said that this suspicion both russia and nato have towards each other you called it a bad habit do you think that it's coming from from the cold water as well do you think that we can ever overcome those bad years in fact if that's the interviewee to allude to i said i compare it to my own recent hard experience of quitting smoking it's very hard to begin but then the world looks better and actually you know. it's highly advisable it's a bit like with rhetorical no once you get rid of it then the world looks nice and so on but you know i simply think it's possible and you know it is possible if you look at the overall relationship of russia if you think of economic relations if you think of tourists if you think of sports you name it does anybody really think of the cold war injury is just when you start talking about security issues then suddenly the difference somehow view approaches and i think we have to both of both

sides of the way you know all sides in this equation have to make an effort to get rid of this because it's silly and it doesn't really help us it doesn't have russia we are partners even in partnership with the fall of times you you should have you should have a specific specific view a specific point of view about russian later relations because your present poland europe world and poland used to be a member member of the warsaw pact. and you together with us considered nato to be the enemy number one though they told poland as member of nato and your representative later in moscow so this really does sound funny how how things are. changing but the old stereotypes are still there well yeah i mean first of all i don't represent poland and the guy i talk about anyway but i have all i look out i'm not i'm not absolutely pretending i'm not nobody see ok well it's just sort of a bit of history of of my in my humble life my professional life but but it's

precisely the point i mean everything can change no one can give other examples from other areas you know i mean there's some countries european countries who are really not the riches of country luxembourg for example one thousand nine hundred five was banana country country some books today look at finland for example there's lots of countries which would change the ways they change the situation the same goes with people the same goes to you know but it's i think it really all starts here. can you believe that luxembourg i think is the third largest investor international to tell you what they were that's the point listen well you spoke about security issues well listen let's think the missile shield all of it it's been talked about for years and how this new american missile shield the deployment of systems in europe as far as i understand all kremlin words from the sense from nato is that. they give us a guarantee that this new system will not undermine russia's security

and russia wanted in writing what what come america put a wake up later but what's the problem here where you said about making that i mean well let me put on the glasses a little more serious i know but it's it's the issue is this that there are a variety of reasons why i believe this is suspicious of the speak that it's somehow. the missile defense system which is now being built by nato it's us system will be part of it but it's an eight architecture now we would build it this it's got nothing to do with the freds in any form of this is all about fred's an eighteen from outside europe. point number two we actually i mean the whole dispute so to speak is about what would be the best way to cooperate now is certainly not about what we see the danger of predator to russia so you know the problem with putting various things in writing is takes ages and then if you if you if you did

if you talk about this in terms of legal agreements you know that it's extremely extremely complex politically when you think of the number of countries who have to ratify and so on whereas. what we're proposing is let's actually use the proposer the russian made itself some time ago this is about the two different centers one which would be sort of looking at the friends that the one would be potentially coordinating responses and let's work together so at least you know we have a chance to convince each other in action in real cooperation that this is not about as this is about the freds which come from outside you speaking about a joint effort well russia did propose to build this. shield together make it a joint project to russia and later you remember they progressed to use the garble aspirations so do you think this is a utopia today i mean today at the present stage that russia will work will start building such a huge search or such a strategic project together with later this possible trying to well we think we

are programmatic are very easy and you know that's that's kind of because of what we do is because of all the nations one one the want to have a pragmatic approach and you know where did you need to bring in romania albania because they're good. thing so it's a serious point because we all have a lot of respect towards each other that but you know on this specific issue of the joint the problem is this that you know on one hand you would need. you would need really to change i guess the washington treaty because you know missile defense is now part of the collective defense we can use and of course for a country which is not a member of that we'd of the secondly if the question was was put to the russian officials would you agree les talk to be responsible for in a full and formal sense for the fans of the russian territory having down so would be. to cooperate meaning essentially do the same thing but you know without this

sort of the legal aspects it's comes down to what we can better protect our population our territories. and actually live to help each other isn't that a good good idea. you obviously sound as a patriot of your of the organization you're present here in moscow but listen talking about european integration with further european integration people say experts say that there may be the may be joint military force introduced inside european union will need to survive it i mean i mean if they are joint military joint military force european army will that well what will somebody need later well i think. the whole miles i mean you know it's difficult to predict i mean unless you know your stuff we are mind someone but you know there isn't such a thing as a nato army by the way today any why there should be i don't know. to be honest at the moment it's the issues that we really grappling is something which we try to

tackle in the protocol small defense of meaning how to get a better deal for the back of the euro in terms of defense with limited resources so this is frankly speaking if there are very good projects in the you or in nato and the bulk of the membership is the same all this actually helps the same you know to address the same problem at lower prices those brussels supported this idea of a european creation of a joint going to be honest i'm not the word of a formal proposal to have the it's the resilience a lot of proposals both when a lot of projects about improving the capabilities because we still lag behind the capabilities of the united states but let's. talk a bit about nato expansion georgia well some people within the nato i know would like to see georgia's a nato member what do you think today prevents georgia from becoming a later member except that russia is against us. well with all due respect to

russia but you know we take those decisions ourselves but of course every every every single point is taken to come because at the end of the day and largely that's why we call it the open door and. like policy it's not about creating difficulties for nato and it's about you know a responding to to the sovereign wishes sort of speak of european country that's article ten of the washing treaty and secondly the decision in principle that we would like to suggest has been taking requests. however a country hardly ever enters nato just like that you have to go along home but. mechanism to consider the members i mean russian point of view in in the process of. accepting a new country engine into nato not well meaning that you say you think this is yourself but i mean nobody would believe in a real world and over all the views of various countries matter that's true and

allies themselves when they make decisions about magnitude the political aspects are important but in the end the bottom line is this the experience of the larger in process in our view in the view of the allied countries has been rather positive from the point of view of transparency of let's say the cooperative mechanism across the continent and we don't certainly believe that that let's say further decisions on a large amount will will change that so we don't see this as as a negative process on the on the country thank you thank you very much for being with us in just a reminder that my guest on the show today was robert shallot director of the later information office a lot and that's it for the hour from all of us if you want to have yourself spotlight because of. what life will do that the more president come and follow what's going on in and outside russia today then they are to take.

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